Comments on: Taking a Chance. http://www.doublefacers.com/2009/01/taking-a-chance/ Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:48:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Gary Au http://www.doublefacers.com/2009/01/taking-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-485 Gary Au Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:28:55 +0000 http://www.doublefacers.com/?p=387#comment-485 Whoa, crediting me for something that totally isn't mine :). I DO love the addition of going to the deck, and making the guess. My idea was just messing with their memory a bit in Vernon's Emotional Reaction. But I love the application here! Giving yourself a reason to go for the cards, even mine didn't have that. My idea had me pick it up... by accident and "forgetting" I was supposed to do something else. Another thing, I'm surprised you and the other commentators didn't mention this when they mentioned Derren. I know it's about introducing risk, but do the words "I want you to imagine the card, bright and vivid in your mind" remind anyone of how Derren would approach this? It'd be a good way to practice that also. Maybe that's what the other commentator who referenced Derren was thinking of though! And besides... you just "read their mind"... they pictured it and you saw it. Now you can go to the deck and pull it out ;). Very cool, Tony. Whoa, crediting me for something that totally isn't mine :) . I DO love the addition of going to the deck, and making the guess. My idea was just messing with their memory a bit in Vernon's Emotional Reaction. But I love the application here! Giving yourself a reason to go for the cards, even mine didn't have that. My idea had me pick it up… by accident and "forgetting" I was supposed to do something else.

Another thing, I'm surprised you and the other commentators didn't mention this when they mentioned Derren. I know it's about introducing risk, but do the words "I want you to imagine the card, bright and vivid in your mind" remind anyone of how Derren would approach this? It'd be a good way to practice that also. Maybe that's what the other commentator who referenced Derren was thinking of though!

And besides… you just "read their mind"… they pictured it and you saw it. Now you can go to the deck and pull it out ;) .

Very cool, Tony.

]]> By: Yohann http://www.doublefacers.com/2009/01/taking-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-474 Yohann Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:15:25 +0000 http://www.doublefacers.com/?p=387#comment-474 French magician Dominique Duvivier has a nice patter for _double_deal_ in which he takes a risk in order to justify switching the piles. He says something like "As you will seen in a minute, I could manage to have you correctly guess the color of the card so far. But sometimes, I just fail, like with the next card...". The next card he chooses is indeed guessed wrong. He turns it face up to prove it, saying "like I said! Ok, since you wanted the card to be put on this pile, ..." I tried it myself many times, and if you manage to bring this "sometimes i fail" thing at the right time, you can have more than 50% success chance. From the audience point of view, it is a strong convincer that the magician can actually foresee what is going to happen. Thanks for your blog. Yohann French magician Dominique Duvivier has a nice patter for _double_deal_ in which he takes a risk in order to justify switching the piles. He says something like "As you will seen in a minute, I could manage to have you correctly guess the color of the card so far. But sometimes, I just fail, like with the next card…". The next card he chooses is indeed guessed wrong. He turns it face up to prove it, saying "like I said! Ok, since you wanted the card to be put on this pile, …"

I tried it myself many times, and if you manage to bring this "sometimes i fail" thing at the right time, you can have more than 50% success chance. From the audience point of view, it is a strong convincer that the magician can actually foresee what is going to happen.

Thanks for your blog.

Yohann

]]> By: Lucas http://www.doublefacers.com/2009/01/taking-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-473 Lucas Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:50:44 +0000 http://www.doublefacers.com/?p=387#comment-473 I've had this conversation a few times with a buddy of mine who's a mentalist. He often talks about tricks with me and when I ask what happens if he doesnt hit, he generally says something along the lines of "so what?" That's always gotten to me, and it's not until recently that I've realized how much this doesnt really matter; whether or not you hit. If you miss, brush it off and continue with something 100% or find an out, improvise. As magicians though, we use these sleights and things to assure ourselves that we dont miss. We're afraid of missing. Mentalists on the other hand, just use things to improve their odds. It's a weird way of thinking. I believe it was Lee Earle who speaks of having gotten drunk and decided to try an ACAAN effect without any prep or sleights. Literally just have them name a card and number and hope it works... It did. That's about as powerful as it gets guys. I realize that I'm generally summarizing some of what you said, but I find it very interesting. Nice topic, and good point. Thanks, Lucas I've had this conversation a few times with a buddy of mine who's a mentalist. He often talks about tricks with me and when I ask what happens if he doesnt hit, he generally says something along the lines of "so what?" That's always gotten to me, and it's not until recently that I've realized how much this doesnt really matter; whether or not you hit. If you miss, brush it off and continue with something 100% or find an out, improvise.

As magicians though, we use these sleights and things to assure ourselves that we dont miss. We're afraid of missing. Mentalists on the other hand, just use things to improve their odds. It's a weird way of thinking.

I believe it was Lee Earle who speaks of having gotten drunk and decided to try an ACAAN effect without any prep or sleights. Literally just have them name a card and number and hope it works… It did. That's about as powerful as it gets guys.

I realize that I'm generally summarizing some of what you said, but I find it very interesting. Nice topic, and good point.

Thanks,
Lucas

]]> By: steinvegard http://www.doublefacers.com/2009/01/taking-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-472 steinvegard Wed, 21 Jan 2009 07:37:47 +0000 http://www.doublefacers.com/?p=387#comment-472 One of the biggest risks and most awesome tricks to do is "The trick that cannot be explained" by Dai. It's great. Check it out if you haven't. The explanation offers a lot of different ideas and ways to come out of your mess. -Stein One of the biggest risks and most awesome tricks to do is "The trick that cannot be explained" by Dai. It's great. Check it out if you haven't. The explanation offers a lot of different ideas and ways to come out of your mess.

-Stein

]]> By: Matzes http://www.doublefacers.com/2009/01/taking-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-468 Matzes Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:57:18 +0000 http://www.doublefacers.com/?p=387#comment-468 Derren Brown has a lot of ideas and things to say about that subject and I totally agree with you..taking risks can increase the power of any effect so much. and on top of that...its so much fun to do!the magican can feel the exitement while performing a trick =) have you read the part where derren talks about having multiple outs? he talks about this effect where he has two people think of a card and so on... it fits in this kind of subject as well... it was really interesting for me to hear what he had to say.gave me some ideas as well. anyway...when I perform for friends I often try things like that for example after I get back the deck from shuffling,I glimpse some cards..maybe the top+bottom card,some cards under a break..whatever then I just have someone name a card..if they happen to name one of the glimpsed cards I can perform miracles.If they don't I just go trough the deck and perform an effect with the named card. another example: I sometimes perform chicago opener as a mental effect,I tell them 'there is one card in this deck thats diffrent from all the others,I'm mentally sending you that card now." then they name a card.if it happens to be the right card - you performed something amazing,they will never be able to figure it out...cause you can't. if not then then spread the cards face down,look for their card,get it into the DL situation that you need to display it with the diffrent back...blabla...you know the drill ;-) Derren Brown has a lot of ideas and things to say about that subject
and I totally agree with you..taking risks can increase the power of any effect so much.
and on top of that…its so much fun to do!the magican can feel the exitement while performing a trick =)

have you read the part where derren talks about having multiple outs?
he talks about this effect where he has two people think of a card and so on…
it fits in this kind of subject as well…
it was really interesting for me to hear what he had to say.gave me some ideas as well.

anyway…when I perform for friends I often try things like that
for example after I get back the deck from shuffling,I glimpse some cards..maybe the top+bottom card,some cards under a break..whatever then I just have someone name a card..if they happen to name one of the glimpsed cards I can perform miracles.If they don't I just go trough the deck and perform an effect with the named card.

another example:
I sometimes perform chicago opener as a mental effect,I tell them 'there is one card in this deck thats diffrent from all the others,I'm mentally sending you that card now."
then they name a card.if it happens to be the right card – you performed something amazing,they will never be able to figure it out…cause you can't.
if not then then spread the cards face down,look for their card,get it into the DL situation that you need to display it with the diffrent back…blabla…you know the drill ;-)

]]> By: liquidsn http://www.doublefacers.com/2009/01/taking-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-467 liquidsn Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:45:03 +0000 http://www.doublefacers.com/?p=387#comment-467 there is nothing wrong with entertaining yourself.... oh... with magic. there is nothing wrong with entertaining yourself…. oh… with magic.

]]> By: Anton http://www.doublefacers.com/2009/01/taking-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-466 Anton Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:41:25 +0000 http://www.doublefacers.com/?p=387#comment-466 Yeah, I love intuition. A couple of weeks ago at a party I comfortably said to a spectator, as if it was a well-practised, fool-proofed trick: "Name a card!" I had no idea what the top or bottom cards were, but when she shouted "10 of Diamonds" and I turned over the... well, 9 of Diamonds, she was really amazed, and said it was so close to a miracle. Taking risks can be funny, and you can even amaze yourself if it turns out well. Yeah, I love intuition. A couple of weeks ago at a party I comfortably said to a spectator, as if it was a well-practised, fool-proofed trick: "Name a card!" I had no idea what the top or bottom cards were, but when she shouted "10 of Diamonds" and I turned over the… well, 9 of Diamonds, she was really amazed, and said it was so close to a miracle. Taking risks can be funny, and you can even amaze yourself if it turns out well.

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