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		<title>By: Son</title>
		<link>http://www.doublefacers.com/2008/11/magicians-flawed-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already know how to do tivo 2/0 ..... just dont like the ending</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already know how to do tivo 2/0 &#8230;.. just dont like the ending</p>
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		<title>By: Son</title>
		<link>http://www.doublefacers.com/2008/11/magicians-flawed-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes that fat guy was funny...
tivo is not that hard for me but at the end i dont like the taking the card out of the middle part.

so i changed it a little,

oh and if you wanted to see a video of me improved ill do it when i get home from school.

Cya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes that fat guy was funny&#8230;<br />
tivo is not that hard for me but at the end i dont like the taking the card out of the middle part.</p>
<p>so i changed it a little,</p>
<p>oh and if you wanted to see a video of me improved ill do it when i get home from school.</p>
<p>Cya</p>
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		<title>By: unseenforces</title>
		<link>http://www.doublefacers.com/2008/11/magicians-flawed-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>unseenforces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Son, thanks for replying.

That&#039;s great to hear that you are getting better.  Like I said, I was where you were at when I began.  Doesn&#039;t mean I am any master by any means right now.  What I was talking about in the post was how we all as magicians think by making a variation it makes the effect better by default.  All I ask anyone when making something &quot;better&quot; is really think about it.

Try this please.  If you could do real magic and for some reason you are doing card tricks, how would you do this trick?  Do you really take that long to take the card out of the middle?  Just because it&#039;s easier doesn&#039;t mean it makes the trick better.  By the way, if your reasoning for not learning tivo 2.0 is because it is hard... then you are in the wrong hobby.

Sorry if I&#039;m harsh, but I am harsh to anyone who shows me things I think looks bad.  Its not because I am some person on the internet, ask anyone who knows me in person how blunt I am about criticizing people&#039;s work.  I am blunt because it gets to the point, which is to work on it till you get it RIGHT.  There&#039;s no reason for me to be nice about it.  It doesn&#039;t help you grow as a magician and it doesn&#039;t help magic as a whole.  People take it personally, I don&#039;t.  You shouldn&#039;t either

What I would love to see you do is send another video about how you improved since this video.  This blog is mostly about helping people who WANTS it.  Take the critique however you want it.  There is a reason I am saying what I am saying

Take care

P.S. come on.  that fat guy shooting the gun was funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Son, thanks for replying.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s great to hear that you are getting better.  Like I said, I was where you were at when I began.  Doesn&#8217;t mean I am any master by any means right now.  What I was talking about in the post was how we all as magicians think by making a variation it makes the effect better by default.  All I ask anyone when making something &#8220;better&#8221; is really think about it.</p>
<p>Try this please.  If you could do real magic and for some reason you are doing card tricks, how would you do this trick?  Do you really take that long to take the card out of the middle?  Just because it&#8217;s easier doesn&#8217;t mean it makes the trick better.  By the way, if your reasoning for not learning tivo 2.0 is because it is hard&#8230; then you are in the wrong hobby.</p>
<p>Sorry if I&#8217;m harsh, but I am harsh to anyone who shows me things I think looks bad.  Its not because I am some person on the internet, ask anyone who knows me in person how blunt I am about criticizing people&#8217;s work.  I am blunt because it gets to the point, which is to work on it till you get it RIGHT.  There&#8217;s no reason for me to be nice about it.  It doesn&#8217;t help you grow as a magician and it doesn&#8217;t help magic as a whole.  People take it personally, I don&#8217;t.  You shouldn&#8217;t either</p>
<p>What I would love to see you do is send another video about how you improved since this video.  This blog is mostly about helping people who WANTS it.  Take the critique however you want it.  There is a reason I am saying what I am saying</p>
<p>Take care</p>
<p>P.S. come on.  that fat guy shooting the gun was funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Son</title>
		<link>http://www.doublefacers.com/2008/11/magicians-flawed-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also ... just to let you know what i did in those 2 years....

i sucked though half of those years.

i began doing card magic for 1 year basically after sucking.


and in half of that i took my time learning the basics.


and the last half of course started learning tricks.


I know i suck... im trying my best to get better :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also &#8230; just to let you know what i did in those 2 years&#8230;.</p>
<p>i sucked though half of those years.</p>
<p>i began doing card magic for 1 year basically after sucking.</p>
<p>and in half of that i took my time learning the basics.</p>
<p>and the last half of course started learning tricks.</p>
<p>I know i suck&#8230; im trying my best to get better <img src='http://www.doublefacers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Son</title>
		<link>http://www.doublefacers.com/2008/11/magicians-flawed-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah guys... i can take critism.


I hope you know i&#039;ve improved alot since that video,


and yes it was a little too harsh to bash me like that,

i would have accepted a &quot;you suck go practice somemore&quot;


better then what you did comparing me to some fat guy with a gun.


I created this variation to make it easier for ME not for YOU

and by EASIER i dont like to do the ending of tivo 2.0 where you take the card out of the middle.

Bye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah guys&#8230; i can take critism.</p>
<p>I hope you know i&#8217;ve improved alot since that video,</p>
<p>and yes it was a little too harsh to bash me like that,</p>
<p>i would have accepted a &#8220;you suck go practice somemore&#8221;</p>
<p>better then what you did comparing me to some fat guy with a gun.</p>
<p>I created this variation to make it easier for ME not for YOU</p>
<p>and by EASIER i dont like to do the ending of tivo 2.0 where you take the card out of the middle.</p>
<p>Bye</p>
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		<title>By: Tatanka</title>
		<link>http://www.doublefacers.com/2008/11/magicians-flawed-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Tony, Hey man great job with the blog and everything.
@ Morten, Being a beginner has nothing to do with respect and practice.  If this kid really respects magic he should understand his flaws and take criticism.  And plus ask Tony, I have been doing magic for a little over 2 years and I (hopefully) treat the art with enough respect  and practice it deserves.  Now if you think hes being harsh on the kid, he is not, he is giving a reality check.  I do understand that getting criticized feels like shit, that is probably what stops 80% of hobbiests from pursuing the art deeper, but once you can take the shit you can grow as a magician and better yet as a person.
Tatanka</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tony, Hey man great job with the blog and everything.<br />
@ Morten, Being a beginner has nothing to do with respect and practice.  If this kid really respects magic he should understand his flaws and take criticism.  And plus ask Tony, I have been doing magic for a little over 2 years and I (hopefully) treat the art with enough respect  and practice it deserves.  Now if you think hes being harsh on the kid, he is not, he is giving a reality check.  I do understand that getting criticized feels like shit, that is probably what stops 80% of hobbiests from pursuing the art deeper, but once you can take the shit you can grow as a magician and better yet as a person.<br />
Tatanka</p>
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		<title>By: unseenforces</title>
		<link>http://www.doublefacers.com/2008/11/magicians-flawed-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>unseenforces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what you are saying is we should be nice to magicians who are bad?  Listen, I&#039;m not doubting he is a beginner.  I was that bad too.  But why in the NAME OF GOD would you put the video on the internet?  Wouldn&#039;t you at least work on it and not show the whole world?

Is it wrong for us to critique people&#039;s work?  Are you telling me its okay for magic videos like these to be on youtube so easily searched by laymen?  Is it okay for the image of magic (how fragile it is) to be put down into the dirt?

If you saw a magician&#039;s show and it was fucking horrible do you say anything to him?

You can ask all my magician friends.  I am really blunt when it comes to critiquing magic.  There is no point of saying &quot;oh that&#039;s nice&quot; when you see him flashing every move he does.  That doesn&#039;t further magic, and if the creator is offended then good!  It will make him do 2 things.  1.) make it better and prove us wrong.  or 2.) Quit magic.  Hopefully he does the 1st.

Listen, I don&#039;t hate the person.  I hate the fact he wants to put magic on that is half baked.  there is NO POINT to that.  Its like showing someone a movie that is half done.  Is THAT okay?

And if you don&#039;t believe me, Dai Vernon used to bash beginners to the point that they quit magic.  Or make them stronger...  Which is it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what you are saying is we should be nice to magicians who are bad?  Listen, I&#8217;m not doubting he is a beginner.  I was that bad too.  But why in the NAME OF GOD would you put the video on the internet?  Wouldn&#8217;t you at least work on it and not show the whole world?</p>
<p>Is it wrong for us to critique people&#8217;s work?  Are you telling me its okay for magic videos like these to be on youtube so easily searched by laymen?  Is it okay for the image of magic (how fragile it is) to be put down into the dirt?</p>
<p>If you saw a magician&#8217;s show and it was fucking horrible do you say anything to him?</p>
<p>You can ask all my magician friends.  I am really blunt when it comes to critiquing magic.  There is no point of saying &#8220;oh that&#8217;s nice&#8221; when you see him flashing every move he does.  That doesn&#8217;t further magic, and if the creator is offended then good!  It will make him do 2 things.  1.) make it better and prove us wrong.  or 2.) Quit magic.  Hopefully he does the 1st.</p>
<p>Listen, I don&#8217;t hate the person.  I hate the fact he wants to put magic on that is half baked.  there is NO POINT to that.  Its like showing someone a movie that is half done.  Is THAT okay?</p>
<p>And if you don&#8217;t believe me, Dai Vernon used to bash beginners to the point that they quit magic.  Or make them stronger&#8230;  Which is it.</p>
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		<title>By: Morten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once met this guy at a chatting place. His name is Son, 12 years old and says he has been doing magic for 2 years. Yes, 2 years.

Now Tony. I like you and your blog and of course these performances are awful, but what is the reason to put the videos on your blog saying how horrible it is? What he does wrong and stuff. I personally think it&#039;s a really bad thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once met this guy at a chatting place. His name is Son, 12 years old and says he has been doing magic for 2 years. Yes, 2 years.</p>
<p>Now Tony. I like you and your blog and of course these performances are awful, but what is the reason to put the videos on your blog saying how horrible it is? What he does wrong and stuff. I personally think it&#8217;s a really bad thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Au</title>
		<link>http://www.doublefacers.com/2008/11/magicians-flawed-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ObvPratt - douchebag. :)

@Lucas - Oh Lucas, you have no idea how funny that observation is to me and a few people I know. There&#039;s a certain someone we know who does that whenever they do a dribble pass to the point of shoving it into the spectator&#039;s face. Heh heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ObvPratt &#8211; douchebag. <img src='http://www.doublefacers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Lucas &#8211; Oh Lucas, you have no idea how funny that observation is to me and a few people I know. There&#8217;s a certain someone we know who does that whenever they do a dribble pass to the point of shoving it into the spectator&#8217;s face. Heh heh.</p>
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		<title>By: unseenforces</title>
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		<dc:creator>unseenforces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucas,

I would say that you have a point, but there are MANY 2 card transpo tricks that are easier and even more powerful effect wise.  &quot;Rabbit Transit&quot;(?)  from Royal Road to Card Magic comes to mind.  A simple something extra and 2 DLs does the job and its in the spectator&#039;s hand.  To make something &quot;easier&quot; isn&#039;t a reason enough to do it.

I mean would you do Ambitious card with a one-way deck?  It is easier but you lose many other things that would lessen the effect, for example, the ability to hand out the deck.

-T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucas,</p>
<p>I would say that you have a point, but there are MANY 2 card transpo tricks that are easier and even more powerful effect wise.  &#8220;Rabbit Transit&#8221;(?)  from Royal Road to Card Magic comes to mind.  A simple something extra and 2 DLs does the job and its in the spectator&#8217;s hand.  To make something &#8220;easier&#8221; isn&#8217;t a reason enough to do it.</p>
<p>I mean would you do Ambitious card with a one-way deck?  It is easier but you lose many other things that would lessen the effect, for example, the ability to hand out the deck.</p>
<p>-T</p>
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